Tuesday, February 06, 2007

'V' is Indian..

Sakshi's quandary and Fpr's dubiety, both circled around the same controversial topic - Premarital Sex in India, rather being virgin or not before marriage. Instead of rattling my mind on some new junk, I decided to write on the same, ofcourse from a male perspective.

Premarital, what is it? Is it a noun, so that it automatically becomes a taboo (or not), or is it an adjective which simply means an act before marriage?
Ethics, morality and culture are the aspects, we Indians are always fueled with. We have learned to respect our elders, be close to our parents throughout the year instead of only the traditional thanksgiving day visit and listen to whatever they say. The key word right there, LISTEN. We heed each and every advice they impart, no matter how prehistorical or neanderthal it might be. No offense meant, but that is when the word premarital, which in legitimate sense should be an adjective, becomes a noun.

What did I just mean by the above rant? Let me illustrate, by giving an example which happened with me few weeks back. Me, my uncle and my aunt (who by the way is just a year older than me) were traveling. To spend time we usually debate on something. My aunt brought up this topic about premarital sex and asked me if I advocated it.
"Yes, I do".
"What? Why can't you wait till the wedding?"
"Why should I? If I know I am marrying this person anyways, what point does it make to wait?"
"What if things don't work out and you break up before the marriage? You already have had sex with her."
"You mean to say that things SHOULD work out because we are married? Just because we are legally together doesn't mean that break ups won't happen after we are married."
.....the arguement then continued on marriage which she terms as 'the social and pure institution'.
In the end, she mentioned that "I was nurtured by my grandmother till I started working. Orthodox and conservative values are deep rooted in me. I can't help it."

When I was in college, me and my best buddy had coined a term for such people. We called them ABCs, which means Aai Baba Category. People who are like,"....Aai bolte skirts aani jeans ghaalaycha nahi........Baba boltaat 8 chya nantar baaher kuthe jaaycha nahi....." (Mom says not to wear jeans and skirts....Dad says not to be outside the house after 8), are essentially ABCs. Are these people not educated? Are they not living in 2007, or are a part of the so called Gen-X? Indeed they are. However, education and the social conditions of living are not the criteria for any person to be liberal or to be unorthodox. My Aunt is a post-grad, she wears Mini skirts and tank tops. But she still thinks premarital sex is a taboo. She lives in America, works in America but she still considers the word premarital as a noun. Then why such narrow mindedness? As I addressed before, it is about how you are fostered.

Another amusing excuse of avoiding premarital sex is the enjoyment factor. It goes something like this, "Be careful about how much physical you get. You won't enjoy as much after marriage". Now they have got to be kidding me. They mean to say that my enjoyment factor or rather my libido would be endless after I get married and before I marry it tends towards zero? The first thought which would creep in your mind is, 'Is this person illiterate talking like this?' Again, as I mentioned before, education has nothing to do with being such unmindful. One of my friend, who is a doctor, is doing her medicine in the US, speaks of preserving yourself for the 'Suhaag Raat'.

I am not surprised to note that most of the time, the grumbling of premarital sex rant is bellowed by women, more so Indian women. I find that completely practical and totally logical. Indian women can't simply be put on a same scale as women from the west and then subjected to ethical arguments such as premarital sex. The most important thing which separates us from the western youth, is the development of our maturity. More than 90% of the Americans leave their parents house and try to make it on their own when they reach the age of 16. Except for asking money for their tuition, they have nothing to do with their parents including making decisions. 16 is the age when we start maturing, when we start to think about our future.
Now compare Indian women with American women, who have just turned 18. I can bet that 50% of those Indian women won't be knowing what it needs to be done to have a baby, while more than 50% of the American women might already have had sex!

How many Indian women do you see carrying that anti-pregnancy pill in their pocket books? How many of them have an EPT indicator in their homes? How many of the Indian MEN don't feel shy when buying a condom, forget about even thinking about it? Blend in all these factors and then think about why Indian women shy away from premarital sex. It is better to be safe than to be sorry, they say. In India, you can't just be sorry, you go to hell. You become a social stigma. People will be talking more about you than the new Hrithik Roshan release. No one, even the most educated one in India would want to be that. In America, the youth is careful. In India, the youth is not well advised.

Virginity - a dignity or lack of opportunity? Premarital sex or not? Ask me and I do not have a definite answer. I do not see this as a wrong, but I definitely see this as an individual's choice. If someone thinks that they want to preserve themselves for their soul mate, it is their choice, as long as they don't preach about it. For those who prefer to have it before, ofcourse with mutual consent, it is their choice as well. The only difference is that in India, the mutual consent would be hard to obtain. Either the girl is scared of social repercussions or she is sacred to her family's teachings and preachings.

So the next time when you visit your girlfriend's house and whilst watching Baywatch, you hear someone shout, "Change the channel", from some other room, you know you won't be getting it until marriage. If that's not the case, make sure you carry the 'necessities' yourself when you guys are alone. She won't do it and if you don't either, you know you won't be getting it until marriage.






13 comments:

fpr said...

Ha! Now we are talking...!

But really, why are most of the educated, well-travelled, modern women still not up for it? For example, your aunt. Somebody has to start with fighting the stigmas, so that it's not a stigma anymore!

I agree completely with the Indian woman vs American woman thing....maturity age etc. But I dont think both Sakshi and I are putting up an ethical argument and comparing indian women from the same pedestal as their American counterparts. But what is bizarre is that modern laws, education, financial independence, etc have still not helped the Indian woman evolve a more just and contemporary sense of morality for herself.

Thanks for more dope for part II:)

Delphic said...

But really, why are most of the educated, well-travelled, modern women still not up for it? For example, your aunt.

As I mentioned in my post, it has nothing to do with education, but a lot to do with how you are taught your moral values. School doesn't teach you that. Home/ family teaches that. If you have grown up being orthodox, no degrees or diplomas can make you unorthodox.

Somebody has to start with fighting the stigmas, so that it's not a stigma anymore!

When I was in India last year, I was doing a similar thing, only to be retorted back with angry, weird and funny looks. I then learned; 'If you don't agree on something, try to change it. If you can't change it, accept it. But never complain'.
Its more tough than you think dear!

But I dont think both Sakshi and I are putting up an ethical argument and comparing Indian women from the same pedestal as their American counterparts.

Yeah, I know. I just used that as a foundation to build my argument that, whatever the Indian women think about PMS (premarital sex...not the other one) is not impractical or illogical.

Lalit Singh said...

first Sakshi then Frangipanirock aur ab tu bhi???? kya ho kya raha hain... virginity blog chain hain kya???

but i cdnt agree more to the view that its an individuals choice... just dont preach it

Sakshi said...

Oh Me Likey :)
And I agree with you on the stats "I can bet that 50% of those Indian women won't be knowing what it needs to be done to have a baby, while more than 50% of the American women might already have had sex!"
Actually have a story about that.. but goping off topic :)

I don't agree with you on the upbringing issue. I was bought up like my sis, who considers sex outside marriage a sin. I think that sex within a romantic realtionship is normal. The difference - I analyze our social constraints and try to repel those that don't make any sense to me.
Fpr is right, in this day and age, Indian woman should start taking steps to evovle from the sati-savitri image (and Soraj Bharjatiya be damned!).

And LOL on the Baywatch thing..

Delphic said...

Lalit, after your monthly Amsterdam tours, I am sure you might be in-different to this topic. Soch raha hun tera ek statue Amsterdam ke kisi chowk pe lagaaya jaaye.....gale pe ek board latkaya jaaye - "Virginity is a dignity". :P

Sakshi, you have stayed in the US. or rather out of your home for most part of your mature life (you stayed in UD hostel). That makes a hell lot of difference.

Fpr is right, in this day and age, Indian woman should start taking steps to evovle from the sati-savitri image

I think they are. But any change is gradual, not sudden. Currently, they are still a minority.

Sakshi said...

LOL @ Making a statue of Lalit.. Virginity is dignity..hahaha..

While discussing this with him, he made a very valid point - our outlook is not only influenced by the cultural brainwashing, but is also a product of our education, mental mindset, self confidence, partners willingness etc.
So I do agree that outlook like mine are a product of our willingness to change what we think is neanderthal ways of life.
I hope the change becomes a dominant wave :)

Delphic said...

Sakshi, I agree with Lalit and I have mentioned that (though not clearly) in the post as well.

Education: I still don't agree to that. Maybe because I have encountered people who are highly educated but still 'gavaar' in that sense. But yeah, anytime better than absolute illiterates.

Mental Mindset: ...and I do believe that mindset is more nurtured by the people around you. You and me have stayed away from home for most part of our development cycle. We think different than people who have never traveled.

All the other factors are more or less related or revolve around how one has lived his life. I am bringing this up again and again because I feel thats the only reason. Talk about self confidence, a female who trembles or stutters while asking for permission to go on a overnight trip with her friends, would she be willing to have sex without obligations? No.

Even though I hope this to be a dominant wave, actually there are other things I want to be corrected before this, I know this is not going to happen. Not being a pessimist, but a practical person. We are talking about Indians here.

P.S. Please stop heeding Lalit's words. Poor guy is suffering each day thinking that he would be getting married soon.

Lalit Singh said...

I still hold my views on the topic.. add to it all that Sakshi added.

@Delphic
Amsterdam jaane ko utawala kaun hain yeh humko pata hain.. muh mat khulwao.. woh suna hain na
"sheeshe ke gharon mein rehne wale batti bujha ke kapde badalte hain"

Delphic said...

Lalit, tera woh waala dialogue yaad aaya, "Peene ko paani nahi......."

Paani = Europe
Soda = Amsterdam.

arpana said...

wowowowowow! seems Im too late in commenting on this one !
but as Lalit says, I guess its te choice of an individual ....
you want it , you do it. whats stoppin ya? :D

Sakshi said...

@ Lalit - He sure wants to get rid of competition :P
Teri shaadi ke peeche tere parents bhi nahi itni buri tarah machal rahe, jaise yeh ladka.. Kya locha hai yeh?
@ Delphic- I think mind set is the key word. If you are able to think, accept and change - then you are going to throw the old social carcass out.

btw - a couple of my friends who stopped by to read your blog yesterday, wondered about the name -What does a necromantic clover mean? (the closest I came up with was a clover with magical properties.)

Delphic said...

Arpz,
Agreement is mutual.

Sakshi,
Necromantic Clover...ummm. Actually that name is a derivation, and so is Delphic. Frankly speaking, even I don't remember how I derived it, but it means something that I am :)

Anonymous said...

Keep up the good work.